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100,000 Edits · Episodes Project

Places in Odyssey

I tried to create a templae here for places in odyssey to put on those pages. Erwin Springer [talk] 01:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

It mostly likley needs improvment though. Erwin Springer [talk] 14:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I made many improvments and moved it to here. Erwin Springer [talk] 02:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I like this idea. I made another verion but it needs some work. Spiderman 04:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
What I always thought was that we could create a template the could create templates for things like places, sagas, etc, on those pages. Erwin Springer [talk] 21:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I think we can make a well organized linking system, if we copy over the Navbox templates from wikipedia. Then we could create ones to go on pages like albums, episode seasons, Kidsboro, passages, staff, sagas, places etc. Erwin Springer [talk] 22:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
On the talk page, there are instructions and things that would have to be copied. Erwin Springer [talk] 22:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
After much fooling around, I finally got it working, see here. Erwin Springer [talk] 00:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

rating system

As some of you have noticed the current rating system is broken, I'm not sure why but I think it has something to do with the fact that the company that created the code for it has recently started charging for it.

I think that we should adopt a new rating system, there are several reasons for this:

  1. Current system is no longer working
  2. all of the ranking data is stored off site so if that site goes under we lose all our data (I only found this out today, if I had known about it before I may not have used it)
  3. it seems every episode is getting 5/5 lately, I've been voting 1 or 2 on almost all episodes just to bring down the ratings, possible solution would be to make it a bigger scale
  4. it would be nice to be able to pull numbers out of the episode pages and be able to calculate things like the average for a season or average for a certain director ect
  5. the current code for the ratings loads slowly, sometimes not at all

Am I the only one who is getting annoyed with these things or do others feel the same way? The only thing is that so far I don't see any extension that fits all of our needs, there is one that looks close here but it hasn't been released as final code yet and it would be nice to be able to have just a number rating without the bar or a table, i'll leave some comments and see what the developer has to say.

What are your thoughts on this? is this something that other people agree on or am I just becoming to picky in my old age Reddo 21:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I see the point about with how we may lose all of our data some day, but I haven't seen anything wrong withe rating system. Erwin Springer [talk] 21:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
when you go to the main page, vote on today's episode and refresh the page. Is your vote still there? i did this several times and it says that there are no votes, I also tried this on other pages and had the same results Reddo 21:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I see know. Yeah, a new extension would be good. Erwin Springer [talk] 00:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I haven't noticed it not working but I'm all for changing it. I don't think we should be storing the ranking on a different site. One thing i like about this other way you proposed is that we could do rankings of the best rated episodes. And it would be cool if we could do album ratings as the average rating of all the episodes in it! Would this be alot of work to change? Spiderman 01:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
well our current system seems to be working as it should again although I still don't like the idea of keeping all of the votes off site, especially if they are starting to charge people to store it. As for how hard it would be to change, I would have to test it out but I think it would be a fairly trivial matter to change over to the new system, we would only need to change it in 4 places. The only thing is that this extension currently doesn't have all of the functionallity that we would like, (things like the average of category) however I contacted the person developing the extension and he thought that my suggestions were good and said that he would try to add it in. Reddo 03:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Update:I got the extension installed, (I spent a day trying to figure it out and all it was, was that I was using a r instead of a R) I'll start playing around with the formatting and how easy it will be for us to use when I wake up Reddo 07:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there any way to make the bar show the average rating instead of your rating? Spiderman 03:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do about that, right now i'm working on making a new hook that will only display the percentage for use in season, album ect. pages Reddo 04:09, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
You can undo everything I just did, but the way I see it is that for the rating to work you need the text:
<w4g_ratingbar idpage="target page"/>
So I elminated the beginning and end templates and just put the whole thing in includeonly tags and moved it to Template:Rating as we have ratings on books and albums too I think. Erwin Springer [talk] 12:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
yeah there are problems with that method, it doesn't parse the {{{1}}} before it sends it to the rating extension. I was trying to get around this by using several different templates and mashing them all together but it didn't work. i tried it with some dpl statements but that fails to, Reddo 08:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought a comparison smiliar to mark's previous one would be fun. Erwin Springer [talk] 12:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I've been working on customizing the extension to suit our needs (a big step for me as I've never programed in php before) and I think I that I've pretty much got what we need for it to work. For the album/season pages I've created some new hooks to only display the rating of the episode (just a number not a seperate rating bar, I think putting a rating bar in that template would be too big anyways). My first version using <> tags failed when used in templates, so I created one that used a {{#w4g_rating:The Curse}} format and this one works when used with templates.
So now that takes care of the album/season pages, the other thing that we were wanting is a category average function, I'm told this is being worked on although I don't know how far down the line it is. Also a version of the rating bar that uses 5 stars instead of a red -> green bar is being worked on, although I think I prefer the bar as it is now as it gives 101 choices for a user to vote from instead of just 5. One last note, I turned off the voting for people that aren't logged in temporarily as it was a bit buggy however this has been fixed and will be patched in the next release. Reddo 08:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good, but on the episode pages will we still use:
<w4g_ratingbar idpage="target page"/>
Or some kind of different format? Erwin Springer [talk] 12:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
yes we'll use one of the following two methods (the {{FULLPAGENAME}} is passed through the parser before the rating extension is applied)
<w4g_ratingbar idpage="{{FULLPAGENAME}}"/>
or 
<w4g_ratingbar idpage="{{FULLPAGENAME}}" style="stars"/>
although as I said before the stars method is still being worked on, most of the code for it is done but it's still needing a star image and the code is a little buggy Reddo 18:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
The rating bar is working on the sandbox episode so should we go ahead and change to it on all the episode pages or wait until the season/album page ratings are working?Spiderman 22:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I've found what was giving off those mysql errors, it happens when there is a ' in the title, it works good in the <> format so I think I can get it to work with the {{#...}} format Reddo 07:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I've fixed it, I think the only thing left to do is decide what we want to do for the today's episode section of the main page (rating bar or just %), get the patch for the people who aren't logged in problem and then we can switch over Reddo 08:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Schedule

Thanks to: Nathan Hoobler, pdf files, excel, reddo, and focus on the family, we have a COMPLETE archive of the radio Schedule. Erwin Springer [talk] 12:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

If you go to Special:WantedPages you can see most of the pages we have to fix. Erwin Springer [talk] 14:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Category

Is there a way to insert category text into an non-category page? God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk

You mean make a list with a dpl? Could you explain further? Erwin Springer [talk] 12:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Simplify

It seems like we have a lot of guideline pages that were copied from wikipedia a while back such as here and here. I think it would be easier of we completely rewrote those articles to mean simpler things that people can understand. The current pages also refer to Shadowpaw and wikipedia polices.

The way I see it:

ip:

  • edit some pages

Users:

  • move pages

Autoconfirmed users:

  • edit pages that are protected against unregistered users

Administrators:

  • Block users and ips
  • Protect pages
  • Delete pages

Bureaucrats:

  • Assign user rights such as Bureaucrat and Administrator and bot.
  • Use the batch delete

Founder: Protect pages furthur

Erwin Springer [talk] 16:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Check.svg Done, I did make changes. Erwin Springer [talk]

Spoilers

So I created a new template for spoilers, here, and tested it here; User:Natedude24/Spoiler Test. So tell me what you guys think. God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk

Please use the Sandbox Episode, next time as it diesn't put the page in article categories. As for the template, I don't know. Last time I thought we decided on something a littl more simple, but th design is mice if we are going to use it. Erwin Springer [talk]

Weekend Radio

Okay, I'm really confused now, should we go with the Scoop's schedule?

Okay, I went ahead and updated it. Someone slap me if I did the wrong thing. :) Erwin Springer [talk]

Sorry I haven't been around a whole lot lately, I'm just going through some new things in my life right now. I can confirm that the schedule that was posted on the scoop (and now here) is correct. I posted a small note about it on the too a few days ago but I haven't had the time to do it properly over here, sorry. Reddo 07:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I thought I may have put up false info. Erwin Springer [talk] 12:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
NO, FOTF has just been changing their mind a lot lately as they aren't exactly sure about how they want to lead up to new episodes this fall and next spring Reddo 15:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Is AIOWiki dead right now?

It's kind of like no one is here. Erwin Springer [talk] 13:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

not dead, just resting. Reddo 15:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Huzzah, will you be back soon? Erwin Springer [talk] 15:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I hope to be, I've been on a short term missions trip these past few weeks and it's been a life changing experience, alot of the things that I thought I knew about my future and where I was going to be and end up have completely changed. I'm supposed to go home in about two weeks, and I'm not sure what's going to happen after that. I hope that AIOwiki will be a part of my future but after the past few weeks I have no idea what my future holds, but for once I'm really excited about it. Reddo 15:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I hope everything works out for you :) Erwin Springer [talk] 16:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I have been really busy with my job lately and just haven't had a lot of extra time. I am heading on a trip here pretty soon, but by July, I should be back and active. pan style="color:#8B008B"> God Bless </span>~ Natedude24~ My Talk
Wellllllll, I guess you could say it is "temporarily dormant." I have been listening to Odyssey a lot (working on finishing the whole collection) and was planning to put up a lot of quotes in the episodes, but I forget all of the good quotes. I will have to work harder on that one... Dr. Bluegaard 01:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it's safe to say that it's back to how it use to be now, YAY!!! Reddo 07:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocking Policy

I think we need to write a blocking policy. It seems like we block someone as it comes along. Correct me If I'm wrong. Erwin Springer [talk] 21:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Right now we only block someone if they are vandalizing the site. Spiderman 23:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I've just been putting infinite blokcing, reverting the vandalism, and leave the block template. I just mean a policy on how long we block and things like that. Erwin Springer [talk] 23:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
For me it depends on the type of vandalism for how long I block, one case of just inserting gibberish into a page I'll just revert it, repeated inserting gibberish into a page I'll block for 3 days maybe a week, anything where a page is spammed with external links I block for 6 months. If I have time I'll usually leave a message on their talk page Reddo 03:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I haven't blocked lately, but as Reddo said, it depends on what type of vandalism it is. External links, I have little patience for, particularly those long long pages of them. Gibberish isn't such a big deal...and I think I'll never forget that time someone made a page for 'Mouse', saying something like: "a Mouse is a small furry creature. It appeared in Nothing to Fear and scared Shirley." I had to let Reddo handle that one -- I couldn't. It was too funny. Er, yes, back on track now...any sort of policy should definitely depend on the type of vandalism. Rachel Maxwell 14:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Charles Donigol

At about 6:20 on the third thack of A Capsule Comes to Town, Charles Donigol is mentioned by Eugene. I added him to List of Odyssey Mayors, but am unsure about the spelling. Erwin Springer [talk] 19:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Show/Hide

I have found that it is rather difficult to click on the up/down arrow to expand or contract things like the episode list, or the V D E thing. I figured that iwe could do something like Wikipedia does, just have "[show]" and "[hide]". God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk

It's changed at MediaWiki:Common.js:
var collapseCaption = "↑";
var expandCaption = "↓";
We used to have show/hide but Reddo changed it to +/-, then I sugested to him that we should change it to ↑/↓. We may want to change it again. Erwin Springer [talk] 12:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I do think that we should change it back to show/hide, because the arrows are just so small, and plus Wikipedia uses show/hide. God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
We don't have to copy wikipedia, but show/hide may be better. I'll change it if no one objects. Clear your cache, if you want to see it. Erwin Springer [talk] 19:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I know, I just figured since we are a "Wiki" we might do things similar to Wikipedia. God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
Wiki doesn't mean wikipedia. Wikipedia is just so massive, they have a lot of good temapltes and ideas that keep it glued together. Erwin Springer [talk] 02:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Artist

So I added a new section to the staff infobox, for artists. Now the albums with artwork by (eg.) Gary Locke, need to be under the category of Category:Albums with artwork by Gary Locke. I was thinking that if we could somehow create a new section to the album infobox, where you type in something like {{{gary locke}}} or simply {{{locke}}}, it would automatically put the album into the category. God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk

I added {{{artist}}}, {{{artist2}}}, and {{{artist3}}} to the infobox. Put the artist there, and it will be put in the correct category. Erwin Springer [talk] 01:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Coolio. So now could we get somebody's bot to go thorough the albums and add artist=Gary Locke/Bruce Day God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
UPDATE: I tested it on Album 02: Stormy Weather and it would not let me put both artist and artist 2. It would only put it under the "artist". God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
I just fixed it. There was a typing error on my part, but also the artists have to go by "artist" and "artist2" instead of each being "artist" I can easily go through here via bot. :) Erwin Springer [talk] 02:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Check.svg Done Erwin Springer [talk] 02:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Uploading Standards

I think that we should change the Special:Upload page to have under the "Destination filename:" to something like:

Please Note:

  • When uploading a character image, please use: firstlast.png (eg. johnwhittaker.png)
  • When uploading album cover art, please use: ##front/back.jpg (eg. 01front.jpg [for The Adventure Begins])
It can't be changed there that I know of, but I did change it above. :) Erwin Springer [talk] 21:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)