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Jonathan Park Wiki

American Eagle, Peachey Keen, and I are trying to admin a wiki for Jonathan Park here, come and join Erwin Springer [talk] 14:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


I tried to edit the connie page and I got this message:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/.jarvis/aiowiki/aiowiki/w/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 1372. 

I was trying to put [Template:Character episodes by actor/1|this template] (no longer in use) on it. Erwin Springer [talk] 22:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I know what is going on with this, that is an old version of the template, that works by taking each episode and going through a switch statement to pick up the episode number, as Connie has been in a lot of episodes (283) it takes a while for the server to get all the episode numbers, it has to check 283 items against a list of 677 episodes which turns out to be approximately 283*677/2 or 95,796 operations, the server only has 30 seconds to deliver the page so that works out to over 3,000 operations a second, in addition to creating the rest of the page, resizing images on the pages as well as serving other users. This is to great a strain for our server to handle so it returns the error message that you stated above. That's the bad news, the good news is that I found a work around for this (as seen on whit's page), I should be to program it sometime after my classes tomorrow. Reddo 03:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I wondered why the template that was om his page was slightly different, I guess this is why. Erwin Springer [talk] 13:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I made a new version to do this that looks more like the season pages to use it use the following code
{{Episodes for this character|ACTOR NAME}}
{{Episodes for this character|ACTOR 2 NAME}}
.     .     .
.     .     .
.     .     .
I haven't tested it on a page with over 100 episodes yet so we may need to adjust this slightly for whit eugene and connie Reddo 23:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool Erwin Springer [talk] 23:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Preview Template

I tested an idea for a preview template [User:Erwin Springer/gallery|here] and applied it [User:Erwin Springer/gallery2|here]. We could elminate the variable for the ep name if a namespace for previews was created. Then we could use {{BASEPAGENAME}} and then preview could be created easier. In fact, if a switch template would be created to switch episode name to album num, then preview pages wouldn't be needed at all and could be generated on the Main Page. Erwin Springer [talk] 23:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I like your idea, i took it a bit further and used a dpl statement to grab the album image from the infobox cutting out the switch statment Reddo 01:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
due to abilities that we have with the dpl extension the preview templates are no longer needed Reddo 23:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I knew someone would do that eventually Erwin Springer [talk] 23:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Randomn extension

Could we use an extension like this to display a random character picture on the main page?? Erwin Springer 14:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I found this wiki that has a random quote of the day. Erwin Springer 16:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, could we do a random quote? From AIO? 20:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I thought, the random text could be a picture. Erwin Springer 20:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Sure, but quotes would be cool too. Rachel.
I actually was thinking about this on my vacation, I'll try to get the extenstion installed tonight, Reddo 20:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I installed the extension to use it use <random> and </random> tags and put each item on a line by itself Reddo 06:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I expiremented here, but it seems that doesn't pick a random piece of text, unless you re-save the code Erwin Springer 15:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I created this template Here and applied it on the main page. It seems that only when the main page is re-saved, that it picks a random picture. Erwin Springer 01:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I changed it so, it would change daily. Erwin Springer 01:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Great idea with using the date to generate an image Erwin. I think a random generator would be nice to have for something like a list of quotes though, I've seen it done on other wikis where they have a different item every time you press refresh, I'm not sure how they did it but I'll try to come up with something. Reddo 05:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I changed it so it's hourly. Erwin Springer [talk] 22:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

(reindent)I installed a different random extension I think it works better and changes every time you refresh the page, the code to use it is a bit different, here is an example:

<option>This is the first choice.</option>
<option>This is the second choice.</option>
<option>And so on...</option>

and that would generate:
This is the second choice.
full documentation can be found here. I havn't really had time to test out if it does what we want to yet, I'll look at it this weekend Reddo 15:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Well... I would only have it change daily, plus eventually we might have to re-use quotes. Just throwing that out there. Plus, wouldn't we have to have some sort of hidden page with a buch of quotes? S'cuse me for being pessimistic, and I'm sure it can be done. Perhaps this IS a good extra to add on during the hiatus. Dr. Bluegaard 01:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

{reindent)I like having it change every time that you refresh the page, on other sites where they have random quotes/images i've sat for 10-15 minutes before just seeing how many different choices i can get to come up. i already started to create a page with lots of different quotes on it to try it out and see how it looks but right now I'm not happy with the way that the format looks Reddo 23:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

infobox madness

The info boxes make me really frustrated because I can't edit them. Example. Nick Mulligan's character page. it doesn't say that he was in Sounds Like a Mystery. I went to that episode page and put Nick's name in blue thinking that would do the trick. Is it supposed to automatically put the episode in his episode infobox, or can I edit it, or do I have to add his name to episodes with, and do a bunch of character intersection work, or, well, what do I do? Don't fix the problem though! Tell me how to do it, so I can learn how and what to do. Dr. Bluegaard 04:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

This would be entirely my fault, when I was making all the templates I made them so that they work together in the background so that things update themselves. The bad part of it is that unless you know what your doing it can be very hard to get it them to work.
To answer your question all you need to do is fill in the cast section of Sounds Like a Mystery, that will add the episode (sounds like a mystery) to the categories like this. The page for Nick Mulligan will then be re-cached to update the number of episode that the character (nick) has been in, his first and last episodes, along with the list of episodes that he has been in. It also re-evaluates if he is a one-time, recurring, minor or major character, and soon whether or not the character is currently active.
I left the cast section of that episode blank like you asked, just fill it in like is seen here and everything else will update. If you have anymore questions about the way templates work please ask me, I spent a lot of time making these templates and some of them can be hard to figure out how they work Reddo 05:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes! I did it. I think I'vee got it. I did it at school in my free time, so it's a weird ip address. I will try to do more of this when I get the chance, thanks for explaining. 17:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Album pictures and albums

I have a great idea. I tested it here and here. I created this template which makes it possible to just type in the album number and the album would show up. This could be used for the album picture too. I made sure the pages are not in cateogorys too! Erwin Springer [talk] 02:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


I thought may be it would be fun to create user boxes similar to the ones used on wikipedia. They could be about albums or AIO or something. Erwin Springer [talk] 22:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Lat year I started making some, but then nobody was using them and after about 6 months I deleted them, I restored some of the stuff I had done previously here. your welcome to make more userboxes, if you want a simple and quick way to make them just follow the code of the firefox one that I made, Reddo 03:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I look more into it tommorrow. Thanks. Erwin Springer [talk] 03:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I created a few more to chose from. They can be viewed here. To create one, put it as a subpage on the Userbox template. Here are the variables: Erwin Springer [talk] 22:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
{{Userbox|image=required image|required text|image_align=right or left, default is left}}


There are several mistakes (not trying to be critical) in [Template:Ep name to num-name|this template]. Instead of "A Most Surprising Answer" it says "A Most Surprising Question" among others. Some other mistakes orginate after episode pages have been moved. If I could edit that page, I would be glad to fix them or someone who is an admin could. Erwin Springer [talk] 14:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The videos should be added to the template too. Erwin Springer [talk] 14:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
that template was a bad idea, there are better/easier ways to do it, I know a way to get the same results without using it, I'm just a little busy right now, I'll try and get to it sometime this week Reddo 23:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
sorry it's taken longer than I said it would, I completely redid the way the episodes are listed on the character pages so that this template is no longer needed, now we just need to go through [:Category:Characters needing new episode list format|this] list and update the character pages to the new format and then this template can be deleted Reddo 03:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid that category you made is probably mostly my fault. I made a lot of charcter pages with those old templates. Erwin Springer [talk] 03:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that it's really your fault, after all I was the one who made those templates Reddo 08:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


I created a template for spoilers here. On aiohq there are a lot of these and I thought they would be useful. I applied it on appropraite pages already. It has one variable for a word such as major or minor. Erwin Springer [talk] 00:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Err, I disagree with using a spoiler templates. In "plot" or "history" sections, giving information is fine, and I don't see why we need a big template warning. TheAE talk 21:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Do you thinks so? May be it should be smaller. I just thought that if we are like a fan site we don't don't want to spoil people's enjoyment of an episode or saga. You could request it to be deleted it you don't like it, because it seems like you know more about wikitext and such. Erwin Springer [talk] 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that we should have a spoilers template, but only use it on pages for episodes/books/videos ect. that either haven't aired yet of haven't been released on cd yet (such as BTV: live or the 2009 season pages) Reddo 16:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, I somewhat agree with everybody. I think that the whole template is a little overly excessive, but there should be some kind of warning. Maybe we could just have like a red text such as this:


The following may spoil the episode and/or it's ending.



Natedude24 [talk]

What do you mean? Erwin Springer [talk] 23:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I mean just have the colored text inside the paragraph juts like I put the example. Here. Look at the paragraph below.

Natedude24 [talk]

Spoilers for "Rights, Wrongs, and Winners"

The following may spoil the episode and/or it's ending.

Would spoliers all be listed on one page or on the actual episode pages? Erwin Springer [talk] 21:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I've thought about that and I don't see it necessary to have a whole page for every episode's spoilers. God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
I had it in mind that they would be on the episode that is to be "spoiled". God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
Okay, really, I like the episode plots, but let's not just deliberately give the whole episode away. If we do have a spoiler note, I think that you ought to put some sort of link to the page containing the spoilers, fro a single episode each page because they're hard to miss when they're just on the page. Get what I'm saying? It would be like This link contains spoilers to this episode, so that a person wouldn't accidentally read it (the spoiler). Dr. Bluegaard 04:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I thought of that and I would agree, on a certain level. If we were to do that we would start having a bunch of unneeded pages, because after the album comes out on CD, than the spoilers would become pointless. So if we could have a sysop delete the spoiler pages after the album comes out, or even right after is airs, that would be preferable. God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
I really disagree with putting spoilers on a different page. Infact I disagree in general with having any spoiler warning, really darkness before dawn? that aired way back in 1995 and we have a spoiler warning on that? that be like a star wars site putting spoilers warning around the fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father! The only two pages that I think should have spoiler warnings are 2009 Season and BTV: Live, and as you can see by looking at those pages, there isn't a whole lot there that would deserve a spoiler warning.
Anyways off of my little rant, instead of having the "spoilers" on a different page I think it would be a lot better to instead have them listen in white and you have to highlight them with the mouse to see it kind of like this:

Spoilers for "BTV: Live"

The following may spoil the episode and/or it's ending. Highlight to see

  • Whit sells whit's end
  • Mitch come back
  • Dr. Blackgaard is alive and is working with the Chairman
  • Eugene and Katrina mysteriously vanish. again
  • Wooton gets de-wootonized
Something like that anyways Reddo 23:34, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
What if we had like is on the new template for albums a "hide" button or something like that. And set the default to be "hidden". God Bless ~ Natedude24~ My Talk
I'm sorry, may be the template I made, is a bad idea?? Erwin Springer [talk] 02:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I think the highlighting idea is a really good one!!! now that I think about it, that would create a lot of extra pages... Though I also agree with Mark about having it only on the 2009 season, which would of course be the upcoming one, I assume. BTV Live, I don't really get why you would need a spoiler one on that, but... Oh, and plus,I haven't heard the darkness before dawn saga, at least not the second part of it, and believe me, I'm not going to look up the episode page and read the ending!Dr. Bluegaard 04:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
He has a point with the sagas. I discovered AIO fan sites before I bought Darkness Before Dawn, and I did no a few facts. Erwin Springer [talk] 13:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

AIO wiki article

After a quick search, I found out that there is no actual AIO wiki article. On wikipedia, there is an actual article about wikipedia. Should there be an article about the AIO wiki? (If AIO has taught us anything, it's to be selfless.) Erwin Springer 02:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea since we have articles for all the rest of the fan sites. We should probably try and follow a format similar to the wikipedia article. Reddo 23:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Ooh! We need a slogan! I know, I know 'an Adventures in Odyssey database that anyone can edit', but really, we can think of something catchier than that! Rachel Maxwell 22:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
How about "The Online Encyclopedia of Adventures in Odyssey"! Peachey Keen 23:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
How about "More Odyssey than you can stand!" Erwin Springer 23:49, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
We're getting there... According to Eugene: The Unofficial Encyclopedia of All Things Odyssey, and/or Odyssey Related, Including Connelsville, Odenton, and Surrounding Areas. Hush, Eugene. Rachel Maxwell 17:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Do you write for Odyssey Rachel Maxwell? Erwin Springer 18:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
*feels immensely flattered* Nope, sorry. Only fanfiction, occasionally. --Rachel Maxwell 19:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Say, I was thinking about the AIO Wiki article, and what do you guys think about doing it pretty tongue-in-cheek, since it's about us? Rachel Maxwell 23:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
How about this for the slogan: Vi ville ha et slagord, men vi er altfor beskjedne. It's in Norwegian, cause Google Translate doesn't do Latin, and means 'We would have a slogan, but we're too modest'. According to Google. I rather think it should be shorter. Rachel Maxwell 08:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay... Erwin Springer 14:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Veni Vedi Wiki...I came, I saw, I edited collaboratively. (Wish I'd come up with that.) Rachel Maxwell 16:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
here is the AIOwiki article on wiipedia, it's going to be deleted, if it is not updated with better standards. Erwin Springer 23:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The article, which I wrote, has been deleted because it doesn't have good sources. If anyone doesn't know me, I am American Eagle on Wikipedia, here, The ToO, and many other places. I am thinking about editing more here, as I like many of AIOWiki's articles and often use this place. I know MediaWiki, wikitext, and how to use wikis very well. God bless, TheAE talk 20:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

General information section

I believe the General information section has been removed from all the episode pages and the theme and scriptures have been moved to the infobox. Spiderman 17:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

That's cool. I tried to as many of those as I could. Erwin Springer [talk] 21:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
wow that's fantastic, I think I finished removing all of the {{BASEPAGENAME}}'s from the infobox's so everything should be displaying properly in all of the season/album/character pages Reddo 04:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Featured articles

I tried to update the featured article template and page. I found how to move the star above the first heading. Here's my idea for featured articles:

We could chose a number of articles (about 10 or so) and apply the {{Featured article}} template. A list of feautured articles would update here. The articles would be chosen on accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style (as this page says) or something like that. If it later feels that an article should later be removed from the list, the template should be removed. Next, this page could be added to the Side bar. We could also weekly feature an article on the main page.

Those are just my ideas. Let me know what you think. Erwin Springer [talk] 23:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I like the star at the top right. Featured articles have been there since the beginning but we haven't done anything with it because we don't really have alot of articles written yet. I'm not against marking articles as featured as long as they meet the criteria. Spiderman 20:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I chose 12 articles that seemed like good content articles. You can view them here. If you disagree, simply remove the template from the page. Erwin Springer [talk] 13:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Here's an automatic number: 30 Erwin Springer [talk] 17:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


Alot of the theme categories only have one or two episodes in them. I think we should make the theme less specific so we don't have so many. For example, instead of having the theme "Consequences of sin" it would just be "Sin". That way we don't have so many themes and it will be easier to sort through and find episodes by theme. Spiderman 20:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a good idea, I think a lot of those long and vague names come from AIOHQ. I'm all for less descrptive themes. Erwin Springer [talk] 20:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I completely agree, there are a lot of rediculous themes that we have posted, one that I saw was episodes with the theme of Abrham Lincoln, I think that most of these themes actually came from the official site Reddo 23:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Mistake in page

On this page, there is a small mistake. In the writers section:

   mwCustomEditButtons[mwCustomEditButtons.length] = {
     "imageFile": "",
     "speedTip": "Writer Category",
     "tagOpen": "{{Template:episode writers category|",
     "tagClose": "}}",
     "sampleText": "Writer name here"};

The template prefix isn't needed:

   mwCustomEditButtons[mwCustomEditButtons.length] = {
     "imageFile": "",
     "speedTip": "Writer Category",
     "tagOpen": "{{episode writers category|",
     "tagClose": "}}",
     "sampleText": "Writer name here"};

Erwin Springer [talk] 23:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it. Spiderman 04:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


I have just finished categorzing all of our 7,518+ Images in a new system. Erwin Springer [talk] 16:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

wow, thanks, this is something that needed to be done for a long time Reddo`


This is a really little thing, but it also really bugs me, and the more I try to look it up, the more confused I get. In Room Enough for Two Mark Horton says he's a second lieutenant. In A Lamb's Tale he says he and another guy played pranks on their sergeant in Rakistan; I thought lieutenants outranked sergeants? The NCO thing confuses me. I know this is almost insignificant, but it bothers me, and I wanted to be sure it was a goof before putting it up as one. Rachel Maxwell 21:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Go post it on the ToO. Erwin Springer [talk] 12:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm from Canada but I'm fairly certain that the military ranks are the same here as they are there, but here a 2Lt does out rank a Sgt. I havn't listened to the episode in a while so I don't know the exact wording that was used but it could be that they were playing pranks on people that were lower ranks than them, like was done so often by Hawkeye in M*A*S*H. I'll try and listen to the episode when I get a chance Reddo 23:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I did post this on the ToO. Erwin Springer [talk] 23:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Erwin! And Mark, you may be right; I just relistened to the episode, and Mark (Horton) says Ron "did this dead-on impression of [their] sergeant" which does make it sound more like higher rank teasing lower. I should've re-listened to it first I guess...sorry...and thanks! Rachel Maxwell 17:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Wanted Categories

The Wanted Categories list is FINALLY cleared out!! A big thanks to Spiderman who has been deeply involved in this project. Erwin Springer [talk] 21:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

wow, I can't beleive this day has finally come Reddo 23:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Spidey! Rachel Maxwell 17:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC)