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The Town Hall is a place where users can meet and discuss larger changes to the wiki, such as policy proposals and new ways of displaying and organizing information. It serves as a way for users to be involved without having to find a relevant discussion page. Please be constructive and courteous when corresponding with fellow editors.

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OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

I didn't finish Imagination_Station_Pack_16-18 there are more images, on the 19-21 page, there are some links to be added ie tyndale and amazon, the Infobox Book Template will need to be updated to differentiate ISBN for Paperback/Hardcover. and then make new Product Pages for the SPs and ALL the new Paperback Releases (including 23? coming in February) add to the future releases page.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Looking through the images I found Category:Images of Penny Wise and Category:Images of Penny Bassett. There is not the same issue with the Katrina Shanks/Shanks-Meltsner/Meltsner name switch, all her images are categorized under Katrina Meltsner. Should we simply use the new name for all categorizations (much easier, and keeps all files in one location, but you loose the data regarding the original name on the media). Or try to come up with a system to use multiple categories so we can keep the maiden name on the media and in the categories?

I'm leaning towards using only one name for categorizing. (As an aside when categorizing character images be sure to use the wiki's name, and not a redirect. Example use "Connie Kendall" instead of "Connie", and "John Whittaker" instead of "Whit", or "Mr. Whittaker").

CartoonNostalgia (talkcontribs)

My vote is use one name

Aiow (talkcontribs)

I just changed Penny's image to be categorized under Penny Bassett.

Cast and Crew Image Template

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Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

The cast and crew image template only allows for 9 names in the template. That can be problematic when there are big cast/crew images such as File:500 24.png with fourteen people in the picture. Could someone who can code change the template to allow for more names?

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Check.svg Done It will max out at 14 now.

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

Thanks, appreciate it!

How to Get Started

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Luke.storer (talkcontribs)

I'm a new member. I joined because I noticed something missing on the "Connie's Conversion saga" page: https://www.aiowiki.com/w/index.php?title=Connie%27s_Conversion_saga&action=edit&section=1

But now that I'm a member I realized I don't understand enough about Wiki editing to add what I need to add. I would hate to mess anything up. Can someone teach me? or perhaps it would be better if someone could make the edit on my behalf. That's another idea. What if this Wiki had a place where unskilled editors could make suggestions and those of you who know what you are doing can implement the changes.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I will leave a editing guide on you talk page!

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)
Aiow (talkcontribs)

On any article page, for example Connie's Conversion saga (PS wiki links are made like this [[Connie's Conversion saga]]) up at the top of the page you will find a "Discussion" tab. That is called the talk page (its only in red because the page does not exist yet). On a page's talk page you can discuss things about a page. The talk page is exactly the place you were talking about, a place where unskilled editors could make suggestions.

Now Connie's Conversion saga is a good example of how many pages are build, and why editing is not always easy or, straight forward. On Connie's Conversion saga you may of noticed the wikitext contains no list of episodes, that is because the list is built programmatically from the episode pages (like many, many of the page across the wiki).

Please do add on the talk page what needs to be changed. (remember to sign your edits on talk pages with ~~~~).

Luke.storer (talkcontribs)

Thanks Aiow, what you shared is very helpful. Yes, the fact that the wikitext of Connie's Conversion saga does not contain a list of episodes is exactly where I ran into trouble. I will add to the talk page so that we can update that page. Luke.storer (talk) 12:41, 21 September 2020 (MDT)

Luke.storer (talkcontribs)

I created a discussion on the Connie's Conversion Saga page on Monday. I haven't noticed any response. Does it sometimes take a while for anyone to interact with something like this? How long should I expect to wait?

Aiow (talkcontribs)

I saw it a few days ago (actually before you posted here about it), but I'm not sure how or who decides which episodes go into Connie's Conversion saga. Looking at the current list I'm not sure why Karen is in there. I'd like to get some of the others' opinions on to which episodes belong before making a change.

Luke.storer (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the update Aiow. P.S. Karen is on the list because it was flashed back to in “Connie”.

Is there any way to merge images?

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Aiow (talkcontribs)
AIOrocks101 (talkcontribs)

We usually just delete the smaller one. I’ll go ahead and do that.

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

I'm planning an addition to the calendar Pages with the "navbox" but there is some legacy data on those pages I thought someone might like preserved

ie May 2013

otherwise I plane to change {{calendar(.*) }} to {{calendar}} {{Schedule Navbox}} any thoughts/objections? if I change to {{calendar$1}} {{Schedule Navbox}} </code> that might preserve the legacy info, but it is not currently displayed so not sure if it's relevant...

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Yah, all those old parameters are not needed any longer. We have changed the way the calendar is built a few times now; and there actually are zero required parameters now. I agree keeping the old parameters is a good idea just so we do not loose the original info. Do you really want the new Template:Schedule_Navbox on each month's schedule page? I think that would be a but too much. What about some kind of header for each month's page that can link to several schedule pages such as Schedule, Category:Weekly Schedule, Episodes that have aired today etc.

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

that's probably a better idea... just an information header

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)
OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

and that should be an easy replacement with

Replace Text cal-num">(.*)<\/span><div class='cal-ep'> to cal-num">$1</span><div class='cal-ep'>{{{$1}}}


and I say easy but it took me hours to figure out that code, I tested it restricted to 1 page, but it works... edited Template:Calendar/31/tue see Schedule_for_December_2009

applying on a large scale shortly and we should have some impressing historical data, should also be able to find some other items the "Best Of Barclays" Saturday summer marathon, etc. and addl tagging of "New Episodes" for First Air Date.

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

looks like it's working....

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

So I know this has been floated before, but if you are making a change on this scale, please post the primary code changes and the planned scope when you do this. I meant to do that for the Official Podcasts navbox and Avery awards change, but that didn't require a large replace text function like this one.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Well only the admins have access to Special:ReplaceText, so that is limited. But yes 100% agree that outlining a large change/refactor/project first is always a good idea. Especially here on this wiki when so often others built the original system years ago and you may not fully understand what is going on (not pointing at you odysseyfan, just a general warning). Glad the text replacement was "easy." Its nice to have the supplemental text displaying again. PS the code to add the header to the calendar template is simply {{Schedule Navbox/header}}. The #lst is an extension to transclude only part of a page, which is not needed in this case.

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

yeah I just copied it from the previous edit, wasn't sure what you were trying to do there, but I think separating the pages worked better.

“Guest Appearance” on Podcast Pages

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AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

So I have been noticing lately that this:[[]][[Category:Podcasts with guest appearance by {{{guest}}}, has been appearing on podcast pages. I think somebody added this so that we don’t have to add a guest on a podcast as one of the hosts, but since it is not fully developed I think we should either remove it, or finish the coding. What do you think?

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

I don't think you need a category for this... technically everyone that is not the "Host" is a guest,even if they appear on nearly every podcast. and even a guest host is still a host...

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I agree! I think someone created this because the Infobox Podacst only allows for 4 hosts, maybe that's what we should change.

Eragorn (talkcontribs)

Is Jumping Off, Jumping In the last ever episode of AIO? I'm doubting it, but how the description for the episode is written it sounds like it. -> https://www.aiowiki.com/wiki/Jumping_Off,_Jumping_In

"“Jumping Off, Jumping In” is episode #9??, the last confirmed episode, of the Adventures in Odyssey audio series. It was written and directed by Marshal Younger, and will be released in 2021."

Skylerbuck (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure why it's worded like that, because there are episodes listed after that. But no, it is not the last episode of all time.

CartoonNostalgia (talkcontribs)

I'm very bad at coding but basically I'm looking for a reverse template to col-begin which will allow me to end a column. None exists so far and I don't know how to make one. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

Aiow (talkcontribs)

What you are trying to do, and what do you expect the Template:Col-begin template to do? Because the Col-begin does not start a column, rather it inserts a entire empty table. I have no idea what user User:American_Eagle (the only use that template has) was trying to do with it, but I can assure you that neither this template, nor a col-end template if made in the same way, would do what you want. If you are trying to do something with tables see this help page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables Or just let one of us know here, there are lots of users that could help you. PS how did you even find that template?

CartoonNostalgia (talkcontribs)
Aiow (talkcontribs)

Ok I made the Template:Col-end (and updated the others) I see what the Col templates can be used for, but do realize that they are just making a table.

{| style="width:100%;"
| 123 || ABC || RGB
|}

will produce three columns. To do the same thing with the Col templates:

{{Col-begin}} {{Col-break}} 123 {{Col-break}} ABC {{Col-break}} RGB {{Col-end}} Hope it helps.

CartoonNostalgia (talkcontribs)

Thanks so much!

Actor Galleries

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Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

I have spent some time lately adding to the picture galleries on the individual pages of actors. I was wondering if the <gallery> templates could ever possibly auto-add pictures of actors whenever they are linked in the Cast & Crew image template so editors don't have to manually add photos every time a new one is added on the Wiki. (Sorry if this is a bit convoluted, I am not versed in wiki terminology.)

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Yes, but it's not quite that simple. We have done this type of thing before, and I'm 100% in favor of doing it. If can be a lot of work, but it is so much better for the wiki. The thing that has to be done is make sure all the images of the actor are categorized correctly. (I've been going through the album images, and there is a lot of work to do sorting all the wiki's images.) This is exactly what you did yesterday here. For the actor images we use the Template:Cast and Crew Image template. Now once we have the images categorized correctly then it is not too hard to automatically build a gallery. (I think we have a template for that already, if not I can make one easily.) I happened to be experimenting with programmatically built galleries last week.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

I was looking in to this for character images and I ran into a bit of a problem. Take for example Category:Images of Matthew Parker there are 44 in there already (and Matthew is not a huge character, image it with Whit or Connie). Most of these images do not need to be featured in a gallery on the character's page. To that end, what I'm thinking is we have a parameter in the Character Image‎‎ template (Cast and Crew Image template for the actors) that designates we want this image in the character's gallery. Something like "gallery=10". (I thinking of using the number for sorting). This way we can have the entire collection of images linked, but show only the best ones. However there is no real benefit to a system like that, we already have a curated selection of images on the character pages. Then again, if we do really just want to show all a character's image on their page, then that is simple(ish) and nothing further needs to be done on the images' pages.

So the question becomes do we want all the character's images to display on their page? Or do we want only the best and most relevant images to display?

Now this issue is much less of a concern for the actors simply because we have no where near the number of pictures of them. Yet eventually we could run into the same issue where there are too many images to display all of them. I'd rather design the system for that now, then have to go back and redo everything some time in the future.