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Schedule backend v3

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Aiow (talkcontribs)

If you browse through the recant changes you have no doubt seen me working on a new system to make the schedule pages. It is now fully functional, and can be readily tested. You will see no difference when looking at the schedule pages, this is purely a backend change. The main point was to reduce the number of templates it takes to build the schedules pages. In the current system we have 28 templates, that are all very similar. This new system I present to you for testing gets rid of the data duplication and lowers the number of templates down to 7. To reiterate, for the average user/viewer there will be no perceivable change to the schedule pages. This is solely to clean up the backend, which will make life for those of us who edit the templates MUCH easier. (There will no longer be a need to copy changes to 28 templates.)

To test this simply go to any schedule page, such as Schedule for August 2009 (that one in particular because it will show the extra text for the weekend) and change {{calander}} with {{calandertest}}.

If anyone finds any bugs or anything I overlooked let me know here. Otherwise I do not envision any problems with changing the calendar system to this new system.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Check.svg Done I made the change to the calendar template, and marked the old templates for deletion.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

It's that time again to update the wiki, I've run the update and checked a few things, most things seem to be working. Please report here anything that's broken and I'll do what I can to fix it.

  1. Check.svg Done collapsible animation is broken
  2. Check.svg Done categorygallery - replaced with new dpl templates
  3. Check.svg Done lua permissions
  4. Check.svg Done chart fonts - new graph extension can do some cool new things with this too
  5. Check.svg Done rating bar disable cache
  6. Check.svg Done side bar css
  7. Check.svg Done lua
  8. Check.svg Done new youtube extension
  9. Check.svg Done templateData to replace templateInfo
  10. Check.svg Done templateWizard allows us to make a gui for editing templates
Aiow (talkcontribs)

The styles on the collapsible headers in left nav are broken. See picture (https://imgur.com/a/nu1FxOE) for what styles I disabled to get the underlines to display correctly. I expect there are some styles left over from older themes that are now conflicting with the new mediawiki install.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Found an important one. Scribunto is broken so all our modules are not working. See Module:Foobar or Shona Rodman as an example.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

This error is much less important, but a bit odd. The Navigation popups gadget (you have to enable the gadget first) works but has an error. When hovering over the "most recent edit" button in the action menu an alert box come up that says: "This function of navigation popups now requires a MediaWiki installation with the API enabled." image of the bug However everything seems to work, after closing the alert, it does not reappear on the same page session. All the buttons have the correct links even the "most recent edit" button.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Did a quick search and it appears like the error is from the wrong file permissions. [1], [2] I'd start looking there. (also sent you an email, because this is still not working).

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Yet another one... Trying to make the Nov clubhouse page I'm getting this error:

Internal error

[X9FX6@ZGqZexhypJIo@YVAAATBQ] /w/index.php?title=November_2020_Clubhouse_Magazine&action=submit Error from line 203 of /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/extensions/RatingBar/w4g_rb.php: Call to undefined method Parser::disableCache()

Backtrace:

#0 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(3340): W4GrbShowRatingBar(Parser, Title)
#1 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(3047): Parser->callParserFunction(PPTemplateFrame_Hash, string, array)
#2 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/PPFrame_Hash.php(253): Parser->braceSubstitution(array, PPTemplateFrame_Hash)
#3 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/extensions/PageInCat/PageInCat_body.php(64): PPFrame_Hash->expand(PPNode_Hash_Tree)
#4 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(3340): PageInCat::render(Parser, PPTemplateFrame_Hash, array)
#5 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(3047): Parser->callParserFunction(PPTemplateFrame_Hash, string, array)
#6 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/PPFrame_Hash.php(253): Parser->braceSubstitution(array, PPTemplateFrame_Hash)
#7 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(3225): PPFrame_Hash->expand(PPNode_Hash_Tree)
#8 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/PPFrame_Hash.php(253): Parser->braceSubstitution(array, PPFrame_Hash)
#9 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(2887): PPFrame_Hash->expand(PPNode_Hash_Tree, integer)
#10 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(1556): Parser->replaceVariables(string)
#11 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(651): Parser->internalParse(string)
#12 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/extensions/PageInCat/PageInCat_body.php(281): Parser->parse(string, Title, ParserOptions)
#13 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(320): PageInCat::onEditPageGetPreviewContent(EditPage, WikitextContent)
#14 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(131): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->callLegacyHook(string, array, array, array)
#15 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/HookContainer/HookRunner.php(1592): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->run(string, array)
#16 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/EditPage.php(4176): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookRunner->onEditPageGetPreviewContent(EditPage, WikitextContent)
#17 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/EditPage.php(2956): EditPage->getPreviewText()
#18 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/EditPage.php(701): EditPage->showEditForm()
#19 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/actions/EditAction.php(71): EditPage->edit()
#20 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/actions/SubmitAction.php(38): EditAction->show()
#21 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/MediaWiki.php(527): SubmitAction->show()
#22 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/MediaWiki.php(313): MediaWiki->performAction(Article, Title)
#23 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/MediaWiki.php(940): MediaWiki->performRequest()
#24 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/MediaWiki.php(543): MediaWiki->main()
#25 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
#26 /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
#27 {main}

So mediawiki 1.35 removed disableCache, which is obviously what is causing the error [1]. Now I have no idea why we've been able to create and edit pages for three weeks and this only shows up now...

Scientific Guy (talkcontribs)

Can't create page Kopfkino: A Hair, a Hedgehog, and a Doof. Nvm, I got it. I added {{{showRating}}} to the IEI Template because the wiki couldn't handle creating the page with the rating bar active. Possibly that's what's happening above.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

okay so I've tried fixing the rating bar extension, I'm the only maintainer of it so it's not as easy as downloading an update. I'll check back tomorrow to see if things have improved

Skylerbuck (talkcontribs)

The links to the actor's IMDB pages are broken in the staff infoboxes.

Also, I've noticed that Mabel is not showing up when creating new categories.

Scientific Guy (talkcontribs)
Reddo (talkcontribs)

I'll get working on that, hopefully it's an easy fix

Reddo (talkcontribs)

got part of the call extension working again, there's probably a few thinks still broken with it but I'll keep working on it

Aiow (talkcontribs)

The new template systems look very nice. Lots to explore there. On a completely different note, and just a small thing. Could you change the css for the hover tip? I want to be able to make the Template:Verse_hover work inline. (An example is on the talk page, should be inline, but mediawiki breaks the paragraphs around the div). Simply replacing the div in that template with a span would work if the styles were .tip span instead of div.tip span. The other two styles that would need to drop the div are div.tip:hover span, and div.tip:hover span::after. It is all the styles under the "/*nice looking hover boxes for character charts */" heading in the Common.css.

Again thanks for all the work you are doing updating everything.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

made those 3 changes to the css files, also made you an interface admin so you should be able to edit it now too if you desire further changes

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

[X@zuU7e21ObWsW3m-VIW2gAAEQw] /wiki/Special:ReplaceText Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1699 of /home/dh_aiowiki/aiowiki.com/w/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading?

Reddo (talkcontribs)

congratulations you found a bug in the actual mediawiki software, not just something that I forgot to update. I've patched it and make sure that it gets fixed for future releases

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

Is there a bug Bounty we can claim?

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the css changes and permission. I'm very excited for the new graph extension. I saw that you enabled it with interactive on, hurray! That will enable some awesome graphs. Imagine the album ratings with hover on each of the data points that shows the rating value, album art, ect. Lots to learn with vega, but boy this is great! Hovering over the graph to show the values is something I have wanted for years, but was impossible with the old pCharts. Interactive mode opens up a world of new possibilities.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

Yeah I'm excited about that too, also way cooler timelines, I'm sure there's other uses too but yes lots to learn

Aiow (talkcontribs)

So learning vega is hard. It is a real challenge to find v2 docs or examples. Vega v2 is now over 5 years old which makes nearly everything you find about vega incompatible. I have made some progress!

Reddo (talkcontribs)

yes It would be nice if they updated it to a more recent version, there's support tickets filed for upgrading but it doesn't look like much is happening on them. if it was just as easy as coping a couple js files over I'd do it no problem but there's a bit more than that going on. If work slows down I might take a look at it but it's not high on my list right now

Category based galleries

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Reddo (talkcontribs)

So due to the 1.35 update we lost the category gallery extension, so I wrote all new code that I feel like is way better you can see it in action here User:Reddo/gallerytest, still need to do work for mobile, but it should work pretty much the same as it does on desktop right now

Reddo (talkcontribs)

mobile should be good now too

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)
Reddo (talkcontribs)

You need to edit the image page to have a caption for it to show up, it just takes the content of the first section of the files page. Unless there's somewhere else I can pull them from

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

ah i see thank you.

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

trying to run a replace text for

catgallery cat="

to

Category gallery/captions|cat=


etc... but it didn't like it

Aiow (talkcontribs)

when I was thinking of how i would do captions (back in Aug of 2020) I was exploring pulling the captions from the caption parameter of the Album Image (or book image, or cast and crew image) template used on each of images. Seemed that because we already have a caption parameter why not use that for both? My idea was to use dpl to include a sub template that just grabbed that caption parameter.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

I thought of that but for something like the album 69 gallery those 4 images don't all have captions in a different template somewhere else. Maybe instead we could reverse it and pull the caption for the template from the image page. Just a thought I'd have to look at it a bit more. Not as familiar with the templates as I used to be

Aiow (talkcontribs)

We could, but there really is not much difference between the two options. Both store the data on the file page, one is ==Caption== example text here and the other is |caption= example text here I have not looked to see if the wiki is currently using the image description from the template anywhere. I'm guessing we are not.

Either option we use we can get to the same result. Personally I'd prefer to have it in the image template. It just keeps all the data together. A plus for that is it makes it a tiny bit easier to add the metadata (that is what I'm calling all the data we add to the image page, whether through the template or under a caption heading.) users do not need to add the image template and a heading. Especially with the template wizard system, using templates can be super user friendly.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

Oh I was looking at an album page that has a image caption stored there and then nothing on the image page. If there is a caption on the image page already in a template that would be the way to go. But can we get the same caption info from different templates? I know not all images have the same template applied to them

Aiow (talkcontribs)
Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

What is going on with the server? I've been using the wiki a lot recently, and haven't noticed anything major. Can someone please explain what's going on?

Aiow (talkcontribs)

You talking about the banner at the top of each page? (you can close that, the little "X" on the far right). Its nothing major, and for most people like yourself you won't notice anything being off. Just continue using the wiki, and if you happen to come across something that is broken post it here.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

Couple small things left to clean up but 99% is all fixed up now. Planning on getting that last 1% in the next few days

2 New Products process Standardization Page tutorial/doc needed?

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OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)
  • update book images template
  • upload images with template and create categories
  • create new album/book pages and categories
  • update episode pages with link album
  • New Product announcement Pages (from home page)
  • Update Future Releases page
  • update current releases page/home page (purge/edit/save as needed)
  • Update Books Navbox
  • Update "Prev" page from "Last Book to date" to new page link
  • update Special Albums navbox
  • update IS book series Main Page

~ let me know if I missed something.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

I uploaded File:The-fruits-of-the-spirit-front.jpg, made the album page, added the album to the episodes, edited the next/prev album, the two nav boxes, and made the categories (let me know if I missed something). Don't know if you want the new product on the front page when it is still so far out.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Yes I agree we need a guide on how to add new album, and new books. There are a lot of steps. Probably Help:New release would be a good name for it.

Htm14 (talkcontribs)

It would be also nice to establish what is considered to be canonical with AIO (e.g., the books and other sources outside of the AIO official website).

Scientific Guy (talkcontribs)
Aiow (talkcontribs)

@OdysseyFan and @Scientific Guy both of you stop, hold on and take a step back. We can't be getting mad at each other. If this site is going to continue we all need to work together; and that will never happen if we are at each other. OdysseyFan I do think you over reacted there when you deleted the page. I totaly understand not wanting to chase down stray ends, and it would be much simpler if the whole process gets done at once. However that is not always going to happen, for many reasons: the wiki being broken, a user simply not knowing about a step, not able, or simply does not want to do X. In any case I do not think we should be deleting (given the information is correct) steps because the whole task was not done. For example a new book release has 8 steps (not counting the news announcement) if 5 of them gets done should we sill delete and revert them because all 8 were not finished? No that sounds ridiculous. If would take more work to revert those 5 changes, than it would to finish the other 3 steps. Now just keep backing up that example till you are at one step done. If we would not remove a change for X steps done, then why would we for only 1 step done.

While your analogy "if you only drive 2 miles of a 3 mile trip you still aren't there" is true, here on the wiki no single user is the only driver.

I have started working on the Help:New release page. I now see that having everything documented it is more important than we currently value it. I'm sure once published it will help alleviate this kind of problem. Then we can simply point users to the process, and if or when something is not done accordingly we can message them and instruct them on what should of been done.

Now, because we do not have really anything documented, it is up to whoever finds it to do something. That leaves the process open (like this case) to big misunderstandings. One person thought making one page was fine, another thought that the whole process should be complete.

In New release I have outlined a process for documenting a partially completed job. Ideally that will be a happy median and solve both sides of this issue. We will have the progress tracked so no hunting down stray ends, and users will not be forced to do the whole 9 yards.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Well I worked on the New release page and the new Template:checklist for 11 hours. I sure hope it helps. Tomorrow later today I will work more on the checklist template. I originally envisioned it categorizing the pages so it will be super easy for us to see if something is left to be done. That categorizing is what I'll work on.

I do have some questions about why the current releases / archived releases are not working properly any more. @Scientific Guy could you take a look at that? (if I remember correctly you built the auto system to archive the releases) There are many from Oct that should not still be showing up in the current releases, in fact on their respective pages (News:New Releases/Album 69: Best Kept Secrets for example) there is no Category:Current New Releases category yet they are showing up in that category.

Scientific Guy (talkcontribs)

You’re right, David. Sorry, OdysseyFan, I was coming off too hot towards you. I’ll set myself a reminder to check out this thread at a later time.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Whenever I try to edit on the desktop site, and log in, the website reloads and gives me an error message. So I have to go to the site settings on my computer and delete all the cookies, then use the mobile site. What I'm wondering is if there is a fix for the desktop site, maybe reloading my account? Thanks!

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

I have this same problem. It works on other computers than my own, but won’t load on mine.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I tried deleting all the data of this site off my browser, it worked, and brought up the desktop site, but when I tried to login it just gave me an error message.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Hmm not sure what errors you are getting can you add the specific error message, maybe a screenshot of the error, and also the platform and browser you are using when you get the error (Example android 8 FireFox 75). To clarify are you getting this error only when you switch the site from mobile to desktop view? So does login work on the mobile view work? I only login on windows, so that might be why I have not had this trouble.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

DesktopSiteError.png

There it is, I only use Chrome, and Safari, the problem persists on both. It gives the error whenever I switch from mobile to desktop, or login on desktop.

Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

Are you using 5G Internet? Because I have had this happen to me on Firefox, and it was because I was using 5G.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I use 5G internet and I never have these issues on either Chrome or Edge.

Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

Nevermind, I didn't see the picture clearly. try deleting "&mobile action=toggle_veiw_desktop"

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

How do I do that?

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

It's in the website link

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Whoops, didn't see that

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Still doesn't work.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

oof. Do you use any web protection or web monitoring services? Sometimes they can block random websites.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

No, except i think i have google safe search, but I don't think that would interfere.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

But I have tried it with safesearch off and it still doesn't budge.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

does the website say https or http?

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

https

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

But it also says that on the mobile site.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

Here is the error I get in Chrome on Windows: WikiError.png

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Hmm, Gat the exact same thing, except that mine says http error 500.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

This is now fixed for me.

FOTF just updated the store (again) braking all links (again).

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Aiow (talkcontribs)

Nearly all the links.

Every album. All the books. The clubhouse magazine link(s) (which FOTF has not even fixed yet on the clubhouse site) Some of the products.

Fascinating thing is for some of the products that are still in the store like the 2018 Fidget Spinner the product link still works and redirects to the new url. Yet others like the Ceramic Mug Collection do not work.


I was thinking for the books and albums instead of just going through and editing all the pages with the new link, why not have the respective template (book, album, etc.) automatically generate the url to the FOTF store? After a quick look it appears they are using this format "series-name" + Num + safe-album-name. That format holds true for the albums, the Blackgaard books, and the Imagination Station books. But not the Young Whit book series.

This seams very doable, and simple to exclude the Young Whit series that does not hold to the same format. I'll give this a day or so to hear your thoughts, and if there are no objections or problems raised I'll start right after that.

Summary by OdysseyFan

make a note in the discussion page of the template of how this was expanded in case it needs expanded again in the future.

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

The cast and crew image template only allows for 9 names in the template. That can be problematic when there are big cast/crew images such as File:500 24.png with fourteen people in the picture. Could someone who can code change the template to allow for more names?

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Check.svg Done It will max out at 14 now.

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

Thanks, appreciate it!

Summary by OdysseyFan

see newer post of process standardization a lot of times the new product page is created and image uploaded but all the secondary details and updates are missed in the process...

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

I didn't finish Imagination_Station_Pack_16-18 there are more images, on the 19-21 page, there are some links to be added ie tyndale and amazon, the Infobox Book Template will need to be updated to differentiate ISBN for Paperback/Hardcover. and then make new Product Pages for the SPs and ALL the new Paperback Releases (including 23? coming in February) add to the future releases page.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Looking through the images I found Category:Images of Penny Wise and Category:Images of Penny Bassett. There is not the same issue with the Katrina Shanks/Shanks-Meltsner/Meltsner name switch, all her images are categorized under Katrina Meltsner. Should we simply use the new name for all categorizations (much easier, and keeps all files in one location, but you loose the data regarding the original name on the media). Or try to come up with a system to use multiple categories so we can keep the maiden name on the media and in the categories?

I'm leaning towards using only one name for categorizing. (As an aside when categorizing character images be sure to use the wiki's name, and not a redirect. Example use "Connie Kendall" instead of "Connie", and "John Whittaker" instead of "Whit", or "Mr. Whittaker").

CartoonNostalgia (talkcontribs)

My vote is use one name

Aiow (talkcontribs)

I just changed Penny's image to be categorized under Penny Bassett.