Adventures in Odyssey Wiki:Town Hall2

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The Town Hall is a place where users can meet and discuss larger changes to the wiki, such as policy proposals and new ways of displaying and organizing information. It serves as a way for users to be involved without having to find a relevant discussion page. Please be constructive and courteous when corresponding with fellow editors.

We're testing this new discussion system for the Town Hall right now. You can still view the old Town Hall.

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

I have spent some time lately adding to the picture galleries on the individual pages of actors. I was wondering if the <gallery> templates could ever possibly auto-add pictures of actors whenever they are linked in the Cast & Crew image template so editors don't have to manually add photos every time a new one is added on the Wiki. (Sorry if this is a bit convoluted, I am not versed in wiki terminology.)

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Yes, but it's not quite that simple. We have done this type of thing before, and I'm 100% in favor of doing it. If can be a lot of work, but it is so much better for the wiki. The thing that has to be done is make sure all the images of the actor are categorized correctly. (I've been going through the album images, and there is a lot of work to do sorting all the wiki's images.) This is exactly what you did yesterday here. For the actor images we use the Template:Cast and Crew Image template. Now once we have the images categorized correctly then it is not too hard to automatically build a gallery. (I think we have a template for that already, if not I can make one easily.) I happened to be experimenting with programmatically built galleries last week.

Album Appearances

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Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

Going forward, are we going to use the Album Appearances template? It's really helpful. One thing, though, is that it shows unaired albums on the lists.

Reddo (talkcontribs)

thanks for pointing that out it should be fixed now, go ahead and use it, I much rather prefer using templates and code compare to doing things by hand

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

It's much more efficient, thank you!

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

Also, some characters (in this case Morrie) do not appear in the club or have appearances on album artwork but it still reads, "Morrie Rydell has appeared on the front cover of the following albums:" followed by nothing. Can that be automatically omitted if it doesn't apply to the character?

Reddo (talkcontribs)

I should be able to do that tomorrow

Reddo (talkcontribs)

Fixing it with wikicode turned out to be complex so I wrote some Javascript to hide it. it should be working now.

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

If a character hasn't appeared on the front cover of an album, it reads "Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 3.3.2: Warning: No results." That's the only problem with the template, otherwise, it works great!

Reddo (talkcontribs)

That's an easy fix next time I'm on my laptop. I'll try to get to it tomorrow if I remember

AIOrocks101 (talkcontribs)

Can you add Back Cover Appearances to the template?

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

Done

Reddo (talkcontribs)
AIOrocks101 (talkcontribs)

Thanks!

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

Learning more about DPL all the time.

Scientific Guy (talkcontribs)

Previous AIOWiki user Tigrispo requested a new account recently under a different name. Is that user now here on AIOWiki? If so, contact Reddo and he can merge your accounts.

TheAIOlover (talkcontribs)

I have an idea. I want to make something called "Awards". Basically, if a user makes an achievement, like 100 edits, someone will send them an award. If this is allowed,I would create a sub-page with the awards, and post them on people's talk pages when they achieve something. It would be a fun way to encourage users to keep going and achieve an award.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Not to be the old grump here but I would not be in favor of this kind of thing.
First of all adding "Awards" or achievements can drastically change a site. Once gamification has been added there is no going back. Sebastian Deterding says that gamification can encourage unintended behaviors. It is that unintended behavior that I am leery of. I was a mod on a large stackexchange site for ~5 years, I understand the lure of getting a badge, and have seen what users will do to get them.

Gamification is used as a way to increase user participation (among other things). We have a well established wiki with a ever changing active body of contributors. The wiki is alive and well. The wiki does not need to add a system to try to get users to do more, we are doing quite well now.

Aside from the (even if it is unlikely) side effects, personally I just don't care for having some badge added to my user page. I'm probably the odd one out on that point.
The wiki does not have any way to do this kind of thing (like stack exchange does for example) so we'd be relying on users to manually award the badges. That kind of system is begging for trouble. As an example, before I automated the avary awards for the actors we had the wrong count on 3 out of 6 (if my memory serves me) of the actresses' pages. This is a huge issue. If the wiki decided that we wanted some sort of system like this the only way I'd be in favor of it would be to have an automatic system. Think a leader board for edits, or a badges page showing what users have earned what.

I'm sure you were envisioning just a simple little thing to add a bit of fun, but things are rarely ever that simple. If this system caught on, you really could, and I dare say you would change actions of the users on this wiki.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

You’re not alone, I agree. Gamification would very likely lead to unwanted behaviour.

TheAIOlover (talkcontribs)

I understand. Thank you for your reply and input!

CartoonNostalgia (talkcontribs)

Wasn't there a page that existed quite a while back on the Wiki that listed which users had the most edits? If my memory serves correctly, the page was removed because users were making meaningless edits in order to get to the top. Something similar would likely happen with the addition of an "awards" system. However, I could see a scenario in which the current userbox system could be updated to include items similar to the awards which you referred to (in fact, such userboxes could already exist, and I'm simply unaware of them). That's my opinion, at least. Take it for what it's worth.

What is the Wikitext for this page?

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Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

Reddo, I pinged you because I would like the wikitext or code for this page so I can modify it for my talk page. Thanks in advance!

Reddo (talkcontribs)

It's not wiki text, you have to change the content model, I think only an admin can do that and I'm not sure what happens if you change it on an existing page. I'll try it out next time I'm on my laptop

Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

Thank you!

Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

If it works, could you use it for my talk page? Thanks!

OdysseyFan (talkcontribs)

Can we work on consolidating or clarifying the Series Albums/ special albums / boxed albums navboxes? there are some overlaps/duplicates and it can get confusing... anyone have any suggestions? they probably don't all need to be in one naxbox, but maybe we can try that to see how it looks in size/load time. unless someone can define a way to do DPL list inside the navbox...??? or has a better idea.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

I took a stab at it. Consolidated all three into one navbox Template:All_albums. Dpl is used for the numbered series albums (reason 69 and 70 are not there is because I'm excluding Unreleased items). If you think it is good and an improvement, I think Template:Albums would be a better name to use rather than "All albums."

Problem With Desktop Site

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AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Whenever I try to edit on the desktop site, and log in, the website reloads and gives me an error message. So I have to go to the site settings on my computer and delete all the cookies, then use the mobile site. What I'm wondering is if there is a fix for the desktop site, maybe reloading my account? Thanks!

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

I have this same problem. It works on other computers than my own, but won’t load on mine.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I tried deleting all the data of this site off my browser, it worked, and brought up the desktop site, but when I tried to login it just gave me an error message.

Aiow (talkcontribs)

Hmm not sure what errors you are getting can you add the specific error message, maybe a screenshot of the error, and also the platform and browser you are using when you get the error (Example android 8 FireFox 75). To clarify are you getting this error only when you switch the site from mobile to desktop view? So does login work on the mobile view work? I only login on windows, so that might be why I have not had this trouble.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

DesktopSiteError.png

There it is, I only use Chrome, and Safari, the problem persists on both. It gives the error whenever I switch from mobile to desktop, or login on desktop.

Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

Are you using 5G Internet? Because I have had this happen to me on Firefox, and it was because I was using 5G.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I use 5G internet and I never have these issues on either Chrome or Edge.

Jason13579 (talkcontribs)

Nevermind, I didn't see the picture clearly. try deleting "&mobile action=toggle_veiw_desktop"

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

How do I do that?

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

It's in the website link

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Whoops, didn't see that

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Still doesn't work.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

oof. Do you use any web protection or web monitoring services? Sometimes they can block random websites.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

No, except i think i have google safe search, but I don't think that would interfere.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

But I have tried it with safesearch off and it still doesn't budge.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

does the website say https or http?

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

https

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

But it also says that on the mobile site.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

Here is the error I get in Chrome on Windows: WikiError.png

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Hmm, Gat the exact same thing, except that mine says http error 500.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

Does anyone think a page for people to be able to post theories should be made? I personally like theorizing and would love the opportunity to share with other people. Please offer feedback.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I would LOVE a page like that, and would use it regularly!! We could even put it as a part of the "Infobox Episode Information" so that people will get a link to the page when they are viewing an episode.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

Awesome! I love your enthusiasm. Now, I just need a few more people to affirm. Great idea about the "Infobox Episode Information" by the way.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Thanks!

CartoonNostalgia (talkcontribs)

Not a wiki page, but a community page ? or something of the sort would be a good idea. I could even create one attached to my username if y'all would like that.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, a community page would be fine. Attached to your username would be fine as well, but i think there should be another way so that users, and visitors can access it easier.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I agree that visitors should be able to access it. A community page would be great! I will be sure to assist with its creation if need be.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Same here!

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

Do you think we could create the page under my username. I have not made many contribs to the wiki and I would appreciate if I could make this my first "major" project. I would, however, love some assistance with organization and the setup of the page.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

fine with me!

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)
AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I am trying out a few things now. But you can be the final decision maker.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

hhhmmm, let me get back to you about that

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Hey Green Mamba, I just added the episode theory page to Infobox Episode Information. I want to point one thing out which is that if you go to an episode that was released in 2019, and press the link at the bottom left of the episode box (it says episode theories) it will tell you to create a new page for 2019 theories, don't do that. Simply Create the page but don't add any text other than a redirect to the User:Green Mamba/Adventures in Odyssey Theories page. I have already made the redirect for 2020 and 2021 episodes. Hope this project turns out great! Here is the episode Millstones that was released this month, look at the left corner at the bottom and you'll see a special AIO logo with an episode theories link next to it. Click on that and it'll take you right to the episode theories page.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I love it! So that is a good way to find the page. Now we just need a way to format the page similar to Town Hall 2. Do you think I should contact Scientific Guy about that? Also do we necessarily need to make available to all? I want it to be, but if protocol says otherwise it doesn't have to be.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, either Scientific Guy or Reddo. It would be nice, but if the code, or Scientific Guy and Reddo doesn't permit it, then we will have to settle on users only.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I'll page them and get back to you soon. Also, I wrote an "intro" or "opening" for the page. I also created the redirect page for the 2019 episodes.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Great! Thanks for doing that!

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

Referring to when you said I had to make a redirect page for the Episode Theory links prior 2020. I went into the template code and did some editing and removal. I made it so that the link on every episode links to the Adventures in Odyssey Theory page directly. I could tell that you were copying information from another link. So, I removed some extraneous code that was adding the YEAR.htm to the end of the link. It should be simplified now.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Thanks! I took a lot of the coding from another code on that page. I noticed that something was wrong after the fact, but didn't devote time to it yet. Thanks for doing that for me!

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

No problem. I talked with Scientific Guy about the theory page. He says it would only be allowed to be edited by members of the wiki (which I understand). I would need to contact the top-ranking admins to receive the code for Town Hall 2 to use on the Theory Page.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Yeah I saw that, and I understand that as well. Did you contact Reddo?

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

Yeah, currently waiting for a response.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

I would be eager to help out!

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Great! If that OK with Green Mamba, we can use all the help we can get!

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

I made it so that the Infobox links to the episode theory page, not the general aio theories page. If you want you can change it back.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

Hmm, it cuts off after 3 characters in the sub-sub-page (ex. “User:Green Mamba/Adventures in Odyssey Theories/The” instead of “User:Green Mamba/Adventures in Odyssey Theories/The Rydell Revelations, Part 1”) because it’s too long.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I tested it and link to a theory page specific to the episode. If this is what you meant, I think it is great idea with some finetuning needed. Oh, and you all can refer to me as David if you want (a little bit easier than Green Mamba). And yes, I appreciate any help.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I think we can display Episode Theories but link to the episodes' specific theory pages.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I thinks its a great Idea, but what we really need is the code for town hall 2, then we can work more on the infobox episode information.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Once the chat is up i don't know if the infobox is calibrated to automatically search for chats with, for example, Millstones in the title of the chat, when you press the episode theories link on the Millstones page? I don't know if that's what Jay Smouse did or not, i will look at the code.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I don't think we can fix the website cutoff. What we can do is have the main page have manually created links that can take users to those episode theory pages.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

So, for example (once someone has created a discussion for the episode) the link “User:Green Mamba/The Rydell Revelations, Part 1” would be on Green Mamba/Adventures in Odyssey Theories? We could always change “Adventures in Odyssey Theories” to something like “t” to allow for more space, but it wouldn’t make as much sense.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

The first sentence is exactly what I'm thinking.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

Okie

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

Ok

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

Also I returned the infobox episode info to linking to the Aio Theory page

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

David: Good!

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Are we still using the code for town hall 2?

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I also created a template page "Template:Theory Page". At the beginning of each individual theory page add "Click HERE to return to the main theory page.". This will add a link to the main theory page. Feel free to edit the template if necessary.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Great

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

Though I doubt that I can get that info, I will still try if possible. if not, the setup will be as such: a main page with links to individual theory pages, individual theory pages where theories are posted, and talk pages for those pages where theories will be discussed.

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

do either of you use discord? Just wondering. I think it would improve communication instead of taking up townhall space.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I don't use discord.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

We could use Skype maybe?

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

I have that.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

OK, I know Carl has it so I’ll go ahead and make a group.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)
AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

Great!!

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)
JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

To clarify, I want that page, not just the link.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I've been wondering the same thing.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

Resolved: in my case it would be typed in as “{{SUBST:User:JaySmouse/Signature}}“

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

DO you type that as a substitute for typing four tildas? I just write User:Green Mamba/Signature in brackets at the end of my messages.

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

I type it (“{{SUBST:User:JaySmouse/Signature}}”) into the preferences custom signature box. Then I can type “~~~~” and get JaySmouse (talk | Adventures in Opinions) 07:55, 24 July 2020 (MDT).

Green Mamba (talkcontribs)

thanks!

JaySmouse (talkcontribs)

You’re welcome!

New Official Website

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Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

Whitsend.org is no more and it redirects to the new official website, adventuresinodyssey.com. Nearly every episode page has a link to whitsend.org. What exactly does this mean in terms of changing all of the links (and more) on AIOWiki?

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I have changed many thing about whitsend.org on its page here. But I can’t seem to Move the old name to it’s current name.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I have changed many thing about whitsend.org on its page here. But I can’t seem to Move the old name to it’s current name.

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

I think the new website maybe should get a page separate from whitsend.org, but I'm not sure. I think a discussion is in order.

AioNews10808 Editor1 (talkcontribs)

I agree! I think we should make a new page because it has a totally different URL.

Odysseyfan (talkcontribs)

looks like the names are the same must be a way to do a mass replace text to change the string for the URL and then axe the .aspx

Peachey Keen (talkcontribs)

Maybe we could redirect the Whitsend.org page to something like Official AIO Website or Adventures in Odyssey Official Website, or something like that. WhitsEnd.org was the URL for years, but it was still the Official AIO Website.

Puzzlemaster (talkcontribs)

I think it's worth re-opening this topic because we never did find a solution.

Skylerbuck (talkcontribs)

I'm sure there would be a way to automatically change all the links, but manually changing them isn't hard, just time consuming. I'll try to look for a solution.

Honestly the Official website is one I don't check out very often, especially since a lot of their episode information is wrong (writers, directors, etc.)