Template talk:Infobox Episode Information
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- I personally like this idea. Any more thoughts on this? Stop Wooton' Around (talk) 14:48, 31 December 2013 (MST)
- sounds good to me, only thing is do we go with the album or radio versions of the episode? for most things we go by the album version, runtime, deleted scenes with new characters ect. but not all the album versions of episodes have hosts Reddo (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2013 (MST)
We have a space under other websites to put ToO reviews; however, there is no link for putting Odyssey Scoop reviews. I would like to suggest that under other websites we have a section called Reviews: then we can do | too and | odsr =. Thoughts? Stop Wooton' Around (talk) 14:09, 5 April 2014 (MDT)
It looks like this template still has the old infobox in it. Can we remove it now that all of the episode pages are using the new infobox? I'm wondering if the episode pages would load quicker if we took it out. Erwin Springer [talk] 20:10, 5 July 2014 (MDT)
NOTE: The only problem I can see is the differences between the broadcast, CD/Cassette, and OAC versions of the episodes. We might as well get ALL the version differences noted ASAP.
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Edit 5/7/16: There are several irregular intros/wraps that I don't really want to discuss now (like At Home in My Town), but I think that there should simply be a space where we could put them as we find new ones. Also, "Classic Whit Intro" is now "Whit's Invention."
- I really appreciate all the work you've put into this. I added the intro and wraps to Dinner Roll Models. Let me know what you think. AIOrocks101 (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2016 (MDT)
- Looks good! I'll go on a spree in inputting all the rest. We'd better just put them at the bottom of the template (like you did) rather in the middle (like I did above). By the way, the new parameters for the template are intro, intro2 - intro4, charintro (Character Intro, put the Character name; I'll fix yours) wraps, wraps2 - wraps4, charwraps. Scientific Guy (talk) (The OT Theory) 12:24, 8 May 2016 (MDT)
- That's a good point; there's not a lot wrong with your way. I think that for now, unless you have a large problem with me doing it the way it is, then I'll continue this way. "Character" is simply the type of intro; the character is denoted in parentheses. For instance: Gotcha! Officer Harley appears at the end, so the end is both "Skit" and "Character (Harley)." It's mainly like this: "What's the intro for this episode?" "It's a Skit." "What's the intro for this episode?" "It's a Character intro." "Okay, who's the character?" "Bennett Charles." You may not want to know exactly who, so that's why I formatted it that way.
- By the way, "Whit's Invention" doesn't require "Character (Whit)" to be put after it anymore. For no intro, I think what we can do is put "None" in the Infobox and make "Category: Episodes with None intro" a redirect for "Cat...with no intro." So I'll get to work on that. I'm using Tornado! as my example.
- If you want to get to work inputting the data yourself, look at my work on the first 27 or so episodes to get an idea. If you can, do them in order so I can see if you got them right.
- "Empty" means no intro: Category:Episodes with Empty intro
- You know, who we really need here is Reddo. I think we could benefit from his critiques. We can ask him what he likes better. Scientific Guy (talk) (The OT Theory) 15:46, 9 May 2016 (MDT)
- I added "Opening Narration" to the intro of several episodes, since there is no skit, but Chris does say a few lines to introduce the story. I know that only the broadcast versions of Family Vacation, Part 1 and Family Vacation, Part 2 have skits. There are a lot of other episodes that only have the skit on the broadcast version. Also, the album version of Family Vacation, Part 1 does not have a wrap-up. I'm not sure how we should do this. I guess we could put all the info for both versions, except it would be hard to know all the info for the broadcast version unless it recently aired. What do you think? AIOrocks101 (talk) 18:52, 9 May 2016 (MDT)
- Hmm.. this is kind of a toughie. I was all geared up to say "Nope! We're doing it all MY WAY!!" but then I thought that you might have a good idea there. If we examine the episodes where Chris narrates in the beginning, we could figure out just how to tell them from the rest. I think, though, if there are any other intros, or if there's the theme music (this applies to the broadcast versions too), we won't put "Opening narration." Sounds good?
- So about broadcast differences: a LOT of early episodes feature version differences in the intros and wraps, so here's my standard: take what's cut out of the Album and include it. Take what's cut out of the Broadcast and include it. For instance: Heroes includes a skit at the beginning of the B-cast version but just has the theme in the release. However, you can hear sound effects in the wraps, so maybe the skit continues there in the B-cast version. For now the best we can do is to write down all of the differences on the episode pages. Of course this means we missed about 50 so far since AIO is re-airing as of a month or two ago, so we'll catch those differences when the air loop swings back around. I suggest using the OAC for release version rather than CDs or tapes.
- So if it turns out that the Bcast version of "The Price of Freedom" has a skit at the beginning, the O.N. intro's gotta go. For Family Vacation 1 & 2, we'll wait until we know for certain what the intros and wraps are before we put them in. Scientific Guy (talk) (The OT Theory) 15:37, 10 May 2016 (MDT)
- Wait a minute. I'm confused. When you say "take what's cut out of the Album and include it. Take what's cut out of the Broadcast and include it" you mean put the stuff from both versions, right? Why take out "Opening Narration" just because there is a skit in the broadcast version? Why did you remove "Character (Chris)" and "Opening Narration" from Rumor Has It? Why remove "Opening Narration" from an episode just because it has a theme song before it? The "Opening Narration" is still there and still counts. AIOrocks101 (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2016 (MDT)
- Yeah, put the stuff from both versions. Virtually every episode has an opening narration in the early (Albums 1 to ~15) episodes, so I guess this makes "Opening Narration" a bit null, unless we really want to take the time to put it into all those episodes. Also, if we can't confirm if there's a skit in the Bcast version but not in the CD/OAC version of an episode, I think we should just leave Empty/Opening Narration/Normal intros out. Here are those episodes. Since Chris is more like the crew than a character, and because virtually 700+ episodes have Chris in the intro anyway, we should make them "Normal" rather than "Character (Chris)." Sorry if I'm confusing.
- I still think we should have "Opening Narration", even though it's in a lot of episodes, just like we should still put the theme song, even though it's in almost every episode. What do you mean by "if we can't confirm if there's a skit in the Bcast version but not in the CD/OAC version of an episode, I think we should just leave Empty/Opening Narration/Normal intros out"? Do you mean we should just not put anything for those episodes until later? But, you've already done several of those. For the theme songs, I think we should change them from "Character (name)" and "Whit's Invention" to "Theme Song (Whit)" "Theme Song (Chris)" "Theme Song (Whit's Invention)" etc. This would make it more clear, and wouldn't make Chris look like a character. Yes, an intro/wrap can be both normal and empty. One is the broadcast version, and one is the album version. For The Nemesis, Part 1, the broadcast version has "Normal" wraps, but the album version has no wraps. I listened to the end of Honor Thy Parents, and it doesn't have any background noises. AIOrocks101 (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2016 (MDT)
I decided two things: one, you're a lot smarter than I am. Two, I need to rethink this whole thing. Here's my new plan: I will give the definition of the intros/wraps and then narrow down how to categorize them on their pages.
There are several different types of intros depending on when the episode was produced. (See my OT Theories on "Eras" if you want.) Currently, I am only counting the 800 contiguous episodes for intros and wraps. Starting with the beginning here's the order of progression: The old theme starts. Chris says something. There's a mini-scene containing characters not from Odyssey. Chris talks again, ending with "...Adventures in Odyssey." Then the theme kicks in, and Whit does his bit. The theme ends and Chris talks, then a commercial break plays. In this case, I might consider the intro over at the commercial break, but whatever Chris says after this and before the first character speaks could be counted as "Narration."
Second case: Chris introduces herself, and starts a skit. The theme plays partway through. Chris continues the skit afterward, then a commercial break ends the intro. Then she Narrates.
I could go on listing cases, but I'd just get tired, and anyways, you probably know what I'm getting at. The intro normally ends after a commercial break. In the middle of Odyssey (When there're previews), the intro ends after the theme. In the Third Era (Album 51+), the intro sometimes fades into the first scene. There are two things that are added to the front of the episode that will be counted in the intro: OAC intros and Parental Warning intros.
The wraps are similar, but with a greater pattern: the wraps ALWAYS start (no matter the episode, well, except this one) when Chris starts talking as herself. Any scenes after that are "End Scenes" (Epilogues).
So, if we can break down every element of the Intros/Wraps and catalog them on the episode pages, I believe that will work. We might need to make a list; let's edit the one above. Sound good? Scientific Guy (talk) (The OT Theory) 18:11, 13 May 2016 (MDT)
- Done Yes, good point. use
| ods = nofor those. Scientific Guy (talk / AIOC Episode Timeline) 10:50, 1 June 2017 (MDT)